10 Responses to D.M. Murdock and the Zeitgeist Movie

D.M. Murdock had an article published in the Examiner titled “Top 10 Myths About the Religion of Zeitgeist.”  These are ten responses to the Jesus myth that she thinks are false. I would like to respond briefly to each of the ten myths.

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10. Zeitgeist has no sources. Murdock responds by mentioning her own Zeitgeist Sourcebook. I will not go into it here but I will point you to this post where I examine her book in detail.

9. Astrotheology has been debunked. I am not sure that this ever became important enough to be debunked. I have gone through some of this stuff and it really is just mumbo jumbo used to try and support her position. It is meaningless and is not taken very seriously.

8. The words “sun” and “son” aren’t cognate in English, as claimed. She says this is false but it is true. By false she means that it is not a really part of the argument. But if you watch Zeitgeist, it is one of the first things mentioned and it is right there with all the other arguments. An audience that was not thinking about original languages may take it seriously.

7. The twelve zodiac signs are not the 12 disciples. She insists that the disciples are the twelve signs of the zodiac. This is simply not true. She needs to read more New Testament scholarship. There is a symbolism but the connection is with the twelve tribes of Israel. Also,  1 Cor. 15:5 provides very strong evidence that the twelve disciples were historical.

6. Ancient writers like Josephus, Pliny, Suetonius and Tacitus wrote about Jesus of Nazareth. I won’t get into the Roman writers but I will say that the scholarly consensus is that Josephus did say something about Jesus even if a later Christian added to it.

5. The Egyptian god Horus didn’t have 12 followers. No Horus did not have twelve disciples. I have read through the myths. Is there an amulet that has Horus and twelve people? Perhaps but it never enters into the narrative and there is nothing like the twelve in the Gospels.

4. Osiris/Horus was not baptized. Two problems here. Getting wet is not the same thing as baptism. John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance, it is not just a ritual cleansing. Also, here Murdock slides into the Osiris story to bring something over to Horus.

3. Horus wasn’t killed and didn’t resurrect. I have never denied that Horus was killed and brought back to life. But he was not crucified and then resurrected on the third day as some Jesus mythicists claim. As a child he was stung by a scorpion and Isis prayed that day to the gods who brought him back to life. Very different from the death and resurrection of Jesus.

2. The Bible doesn’t mention Jesus’s birthday, therefore Zeitgeist is wrong about December 25th. The Bible says nothing about when Jesus was born. Did later Christians take over a solar holiday? Sure, but that says nothing about the origins of the Jesus story. December 25 is completely irrelevant to Christian origins.

1. Horus’s mother, Isis, was not a virgin. I find this funny. Murdock acknowledges that Isis became pregnant by Osiris’ penis and yet still claims she was a virgin. Is there even any reason to believe that this married couple were virgins before the conception of Horus? As for Isis’ perpetual virginity, that is irrelevant to the argument. The New Testament does not teach that. In fact it looks as if Mary had numerous other children after Jesus.

D.M. Murdock (aka Archaya S) will continue to promote the Jesus myth theory and this is fine. People such as myself will continue to refute it.

If you want a fuller response to the Jesus myth, I would suggest Unmasking the Pagan Christ by myself and Stan Porter.

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